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#1 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:50:26 PM(UTC)
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I have been intrested in building a still for some time and now I finally have the money and time to do such. I am looking at building the valved reflux still at http://www.moonshine-still.com. I was wondering if anyone had any improvements on this design, or suggestions for another still for the novice. Or even success/failure stories with this paticular device. All information is appreciated. thanks.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:15:00 PM(UTC)
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beer keg ,found at the back of a local bar,2inch copper pipe for the tower.1,inch out let in out pipe on reflux 1/4 inch kicks arse,50 leter keg is best.go to building a world class still at the moon shine address above i used it as did many others. by looking at the history of rum.whiskey,vodka gin and so forth you can often find a recipe or at least get some idea of what you might like to try i like rum and whiskey and to say the leaqst why buy it if you can alter other people's recipe and make it the way you wish it to taste or make fuel for your car or so on good luck, let the buzz be with you!
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 2:17:22 AM(UTC)
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One of the things that I did, or I should say that I woulds do over again differently, is the attachment of the column to the keg, I use a 15.5 gal beer keg for my pot. I used a ss dog watering pan and did 5 1/4' ss bolts to hold it on to the keg. The column, due to the thickness of the ss dish was very flimsey as well as very difficult to braze the copper column on to the ss. I ended up putting a piece of ss, 1/4' thick on to the column, brazed on, and then bolted that to the dish. To do it again, I would just put the ss plate on to the column and forget the dish or bowl, which ever... I used a cork gasket which I made to seal the keg to the column and in looking at it, the flat plate would seal jkust as good as the bowl does and would be, is, much stronger and steadier. The opening size into the keg is about 4'x 5' and is easy to clean and fill the keg. You can actually get your whole arm inside to clean if necessary. I used 6, 1/4' ss bolts which i drilled thru the keg, and put the bolts thru the holes from the inside of the keg and then brazed them into place so I don't have to worry about them coming out, turning while I tighten the column up, etc. It works real good, no leaks..this is what I did....Jimbull
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 4:42:15 AM(UTC)
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I agree with Jimbull that the column mounted to the pan would seem flimsy, that's why I cut the original tap out of my keg and had a 2' ss nipple welded on in it's place. Granted I can't reach my arm inside to clean it up, but I do use some cleansers that I use with my wine bottles ,B-brite, I think is the name, and it seems to be working fine, and the column is very sturdy when screwed onto the pot.
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 6:34:33 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info. I was wondering how easy are these to break down in a hurry if needed? And if not, any ideas on how to make this possible without harming production? I would like to use copper as I hear it much beter then stainless steel. And when brewing a batch are there any tell tale odors?

-The New Guy
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 6:39:41 AM(UTC)
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Also if It does help any I will be using a 1/2 barrel as my pot. Not sure if this will help with any ideas on how to be able to make it break down easier for storage. I have also been thinking about how to connect the column to the keg. Any other ideas on this? I would love to hear how people did this. I was also thinking about maybe a rubber gasket instead of a cork gasket. Or is that not a good idea?

-The New Guy
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#7 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 8:11:17 AM(UTC)
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NO RUBBER !!!!!!! You will get taste from it, use cork, be safe. Mount you column to a piece of ss, 1/4' thick, will be easier to braze, cut the hole in the keg at the bung and you will end up with about 4-5' oblong circle. Use six 1/4' ss bolts, from inside out and braze in place, put gasket on, use butterfly nuts, alltach, make wash, distill, be happy..........Jimbull oh there is not much smell from the process. you gert more from fermentation then from distilling..
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#8 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 8:34:13 AM(UTC)
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Um, 'The NewGuy' I think that's what both Jimbull and cfd0145 are trying to tell you. Look at their posts again and you'll notice that Jimbull describes the first way he attached his column and then a better way to do it. Actually, it's copper that gives you the odor/off taste that you are concerned about, not the ss! So, you might want to rethink using all copper in your still. Necertheless, I have read on this and the homedistillers.org forum, where several people prefer 'all copper' to ss, but it seems that most prefer the latter. That's why I would say that a better system might be a ss pot and lid with a copper column ,for a reflux still, or lyne arm ,as with a 'pot' still,! You DO want SOME copper in the vapor path though, but not in direct or prolonged contact with the wash. The wash contains alcohol, a very good solvent which tends to be somewhat corrosive even to copper, causing it to give off a 'sulpher' smell/taste ,not something you really want in your end product, when exposed directly to the hot liquid wash. It does wonders however, for the 'vapor' that passes quickly through it. Just out of curiousity, how many gallons/liters does your 'half barrel' hold?
I use a 20-liter ss stockpot, and was just wondering about your setup.
Thanks and good 'stilling' to ya!
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 10:22:02 AM(UTC)
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Forget cutting a hole in the top of a keg and get the ss coupler that screws into your 2' female adapter at the bottom of you column and get the tri-clamp and you have a finished product that will adapt to a keg with ease. I can break down my column in about 1-2 minutes. I used the milk can at first and I was not able to get a seal so I bought the tri-clamp and ss adapter and I have been excited since.
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#10 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 11:06:50 AM(UTC)
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Spiritmaker: As I siad I want to build a copper still. And when I was asking for more info I was curious about other peoples setups not just thiers. I'd like to get as much knowledge and ideas on different setups and see what has worked for/against people. I belive a half barrel is 15.5 gallons.

FreeBrew: Thats a nice idea. How easy is it to clean this type of setup? Where can you pick up the triclamp and ss adapter? Anywhere with more info on this type of connection and maybe some plans?

thanks for all the feedback

-The New Guy
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#11 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2006 5:30:12 PM(UTC)
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'The New Guy', Gotcha! I agree it's always good to get other ideas too. Man o'man, 15.5 gallons! Wow! I can't help wondering though, just how long it will take you to run that much wash? 'Course, I'm used to a smaller 5-gallon 'pot still' which only takes about two and a half hours to run, so your seems huge to me.
You didn't say whether or not you know of it, but the site I mentioned before,homedistillers.org, has a wealth of information that you might enjoy perusing. It isn't an open forum however and you cannot ask questions unless you 'join' the group. Not a bad idea if you don't mind possibly compromising your personal security by revealing your identity to others. In any case, enjoy your new interest, It's a satisfying hobby in more ways than one.
'Best to ya'
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:07:29 AM(UTC)
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All the items can be purchased from Brewhaus, this is where I got mine. I love the systemt and clean up is a breeze. I remove the column from the keg by loosing the tri-clamp and set it aside to cool and then empty the keg and rinse and sterilize with san star ,a cold sterilant, then clean the column. I have not had any problems with this system in cleaning or running. I have seen different operations and by far this is the best, you can be up and running in no time.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:09:04 AM(UTC)
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sorry to piggyback on your post but i was wondering if anyone had any diagrams that would explain these reflux stills to a simple minded guy like me if you could post em or email them to me i would greatly appreciate that my email is [email="mr_biggins135
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:32:19 AM(UTC)
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I put you address in my address book and I will take some pictures of my still and email them to you. I will also explain my system to you in the pictures. You must understand that individuals in this forum like to remain annonymous due to our hobby. Give me a few days and I will get back with you with the pictures. This system is very simple to use. You start by heating the boiler with whatever source of heat you want to use I currently use propane. I start with the heat low and then increast until the my reflux column starts getting really hot to touch. Then I will cut back the heat and the tempture will shoot up the column prett fast. I keep my cold water circulating through the column and condenser all the time. When the vapors come up the column which is alcohol because alcohol will condense quicker than water the vapors go into the condenser and the cold water converts the vapors back to a liquid with is alcohol. I usually take the first 50ml and through it away very strong with unwanted chemicals. I then collect the alcohol until it goes to about 80 percent this first collection is my heads. I then start collecting the middle until it drops to about 60 percent then I start collecting the tails until it get to about 40-50 percent and that is the tails. I keep the heads and tails seperate from the middle and only use the middle. The middle is the best stuff. This is how I do my collection I would love to hear from others. All you need to keep in mind is keep everything clean and keep the cold water flowing through the condenser or you will loose alcohol do to it going up in a vapor. You must remember too that every system is different and you will need to experiment with you system and see what works best for you, no two systems are alike.
Happy brewing and I will get you some pictures.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:12:50 PM(UTC)
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i had a pot still i made out of an tea kettle but it did not work very well and wanted to try something bigger and better
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:53:20 PM(UTC)
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i just gotb my still attchments today from brewhouse the clamp and the stem for a skenkle keg there is no other reson to buy or build enything else if you have a american stle keg you want to use for a boiler it has a clamp 11 somting and a stemm with a 2inc male end 30somting just ad 36inc copper colm 2inc female end your stlye cond. ad reflux pipe into the colem to use or not use and done i can take this fiting and move it to my 3gal keg 5 gal and 15 gal win win sorry for speling geting high on my own sapply tonight
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:28:01 PM(UTC)
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Alright. I've been looking into the ss NPT coupler with the Triclamp and I believe that is the way I would like to go. I'm pretty sure the keg I have is a sanke barrel ,Miller 1/2 barrel,. What I don't quite understand is how does the NPT Coupler and triclamp exactly attach to the keg? and then how is this attached to the column? Any diagrams would be much appreciated! I have found some good info on how to remove the ball tap. Thanks again for for all the good feedback.

-The New Guy
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:13:11 PM(UTC)
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The SS adapter screws into the 2' female coupler on the bottom of your column then there is an O-ring that goes between the SS adapter and the keg then the two pieces are connected together by the tri-clamp. Very easy to do. If you need help you can email Rick at Brewhaus and he will give you aparts list of what is needed to go to a sanke keg so you get everything you need. Brewhaus is very good at answering questions and helping with any problems.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:15:25 PM(UTC)
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Black Mesa, we do not take off for spelling. We just ask that you enjoy your reward for the waiting and hard work.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:31:13 PM(UTC)
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About the couplers, I"ve seen the words "sanke" and Sankey". Google search show both as keg types. Are these the same type of connection?
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