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Offline John Barleycorn  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:33:52 AM(UTC)
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Does anyone have any information on appropriate Ca++ concentrations when using BA-100 (bacterial alpha-amylase). I found some literature that suggests a Ca++ concentration in the 50 - 70 ppm range is about right ... but nothing definitive.

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:52:48 AM(UTC)
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Hey John,

Before the answer, note that additional Calcium is not required to use the enzyme unless one is hoping to push the temperature tolerance limits of this enzyme (70-75 C). In that case, a small amount of calcium will work wonders to keep the enzyme intact. Also remember that there is most likely decent amounts of calcium already in your water and in your grain (it is kind of an important element).

You should be able to find a water quality report from the local water district on their website, or request one easily. The grain part will be harder, but it can just be "forgotten" if you like.

As for a definitive calcium concentration in a mash to stabilize Bacterial alpha-amylase, we recommend around 100ppm total. Higher levels of calcium can inhibit other reactions within the mash, so try not to overdose.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:31:12 AM(UTC)
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As for a definitive calcium concentration in a mash to stabilize Bacterial alpha-amylase, we recommend around 100ppm total.
Ok, gotcha ... thanks for the info.

Just for clarification ... in addition to structural stabilization, doesn't the calcium increase the enzymatic activity? I believe your alpha is from Rhizopus. I read (with some difficulty) several papers about calcium and alpha from several strains Bacillus and along with the structural enhancement, they all mentioned increased activity. It wasn't clear to me whether the increased activity was secondary to the stabilization, or whether it was in addition to the structural stabilization. I also wasn't sure if there were any related differences between the Rhizopus and Bacillus enzymes.

As for my water ... that's part of my problem. It's well water that passes through an ion-exchange system, then through two stages of carbon filtering. I just had a water report (raw and post ion-exchange filter). The post filter water is very clean other than the expected sodium content.

To make matter worse, I'm using steamed long-grain white rice ... which for practical purposes has zero calcium So you can see why I'm curious about this.:) In any case, I need to drop my pH anyway so I thought I should try some calcium chloride/calcium sulphate rather than citric acid ... so that's what prompted my question.

On a positive note, my last experiment gave me a yield of just about 25 ppg which isn't too shabby ... but the FG was 1.010 ... which probably means I have to do better with the gluco. But I'm convinced that I can still do better with the liquification, so that's where my focus remains for the time being. I'll skin the saccharification cat once I'm happy with the alpha results.

Thanks for your help!

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--JB"
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:58:12 AM(UTC)
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Hey John,

Enzyme activity is variable based on what we are talking about. The enzyme activity of the actual powder being used? No. Adding Calcium will not retroactively add more activity than that which s already there.

Will it "enhance" or perhaps better phrased "express" the enzymes better if there is some additional Calcium? Yes, the calcium is a stabilizer for this particular enzyme, and as such will "enhance" the enzyme activity.

Think of it this way, say you ate some celery, and due to the composition of the vegetable you derived a specific amount of nutrients from that celery stalk, 10g of fiber. Fiber is not digestable by humans, and as such will pass through without further modification. But if that celery stalk was treated to where the fiber was broken down before it was eaten, you will be able to absorb the 10g of fiber for nutrition. The fiber was there the whole time, but it being utilized to the fullest extent was not possible without some help. Does that make any sense?

Absolutely Bacillus and Rhizopus are different organisms (obviously) and they will produce the "same" enzymes, but with different properties. i.e. the pH and temperature ranges will be different. Bacillus is a bacteria and as such will work at higher temperature ranges and characteristically will produce more "pure" enzymes, typically better for industrial purposes. Rhizopus is a fungus which will work at lower temperatures, and produce less "pure" enzymes (means they have more side activities). Fungally derived amylases cannot exceed temperatures of 145 F without denaturation, but they are more tolerant to acidic pH, in general. Bacterially derived enzymes tend towrds the neutral or alkaline pHs and higher temperature ranges as well.

Our BA-100 enzyme is from Bacillus subtilis (bacteria). The GA-100 is from Aspergillus niger (fungal).

Ahhh now i see! Said the blind man. Well that would make you a very educated person for asking these questions. Well by all means add some calcium and get that alpha-amylase stabilized, the poor guys are having a hard time in that mash. Sounds like you have a good handle on it already.

P.S. Where the heck do they treat tap water so well? I want to live there!

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:26:04 PM(UTC)
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"That's a great post! Keep the info coming when you have the time!

In my area we're all well water and the iron content is very high. Plus we get that ""rotten eggs"" sulfur smell depending on the season ... and storm activity, etc. etc. So folks are dropping in RO systems behind their ion-exchange filters. I haven't gotten around to that yet so it's mesh filters in front of my hot water and carbon filters for the primary drinking water faucets ... and yet another filter for the ice maker ... nothing worse than stinky ice. Sad

The reason for the steamed rice is pretty simple: I tried boiling for several experiments and it was a mess. It was a nightmare trying to clear it. Everything was sticky ... just a real PITA. Steaming involves extra steps, but I end up with what amounts to a bunch of tiny jelly beans that just sort-of melt. But they really don't stick together. So once you get past the steaming part, it's fairly easy to work with.

Once I get through a few experiments with the calcium, I'll follow-up.

Anyway, thank again. It's great to have true expert advice here!

Best Regards,
--JB"
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:44:45 PM(UTC)
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what are you making JB ?
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:52:20 AM(UTC)
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"Scotty,

I'm not making anything yet ... just playing mad scientist for now. It's been all research and experimentation for the past several months as time permits ... testing different techniques ... basically scratching where I'm itchy.BigGrin

I'm almost obsessive compulsive about taking measurements and keeping notes. I'm learning a lot and I'm getting some real data points. Once I get a good understanding of things and can gain control of a practical, repeatable process I'll share what I've learned. But for now it's just the grunt work ... but it has been a lot of fun.

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