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Offline shovelhead91701  
#1 Posted : Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:31:00 AM(UTC)
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I was going to do an all grain with rye and 6row pale malt. I bought some 5gal. paint strainer bags at the local paint store. My grain was 5lbs. of flaked rye and 2.5 lbs of crushed 6 row malt. I clipped the bag to the top of my 23 quart pressure cooker, put in the grains added hot water until it covered grain by a few inches. I slowly brought temp up over about 2.5 hrs until I finally got it up to 165-170 then killed heat. I was stirring the grain ever so often, every 10 minutes or so. I let cool for abour 1 hr. I moved the water to my freshly sanitized fermenter and then ran hot water through my grain in the bag, squeezing and mashing until I got about the same amount of liquid I had on the initial dump. I "sparged"( I think this is the proper term for this) the grain two times using this method. I forgot about doing the iodine test but I did check SG. It was at about 1.052. I was going to run it this way after fermenting using prestige whiskey distillers yeast, but decided that this was a lot of work for bragging rights about making an AG. Therefore, I added 30 cups of sugar the the still plenty hot mash water and stirred until fully dissolved. Next, I topped off the 25 L fermenter with water from my filtered sink sprayer to aerate well and let it cool to about 75 before I pitched yeast. The SG after adding the sugar went to 1.130. The yeast pitch was done by sprinkling the yeast all over the top of the fermenter and then let to sit for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes I came back and stirred very well for a couple of minutes. This morning it was bubbling about 10 rapid boil bubbles and then waiting about 5 seconds and 10 rapid big bubbbles, etc. so looks as if things are going well. I know that with the outcome I had before sugar I could have had a small run of Rye but I feel that the modification with sugar hopefully will still give a good flavor when ran slowly through my rig with no packing and give me more production.
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#2 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 8:54:52 AM(UTC)
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I checked it today and it is still off-gassing strongly.... looks like it is going to be a good ferment. BigGrin
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 9:20:04 AM(UTC)
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You are still going to get whiskey-- just not all grain-- sooo what--- ill bet its good
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:01:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: scotty Go to Quoted Post
You are still going to get whiskey-- just not all grain-- sooo what--- ill bet its good


True, I was just going to try for a true all grain but it seems like too much work for not enough product for me. BTW 4 days in and still perking along in the fermenter!
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:18:22 PM(UTC)
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I can understand wanting to bump up the sg with sugar but i don't get going to max limits of turbo yeast.
1.08-1.09 bump with sugar would have made a decent run without altering the flavour a ton.

While mashing you should add your malted barley after your temp has dropped to 145-150 or you will destroy a lot of enzymes in the grain that is cruical for conversion.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:17:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ohyeahyeah Go to Quoted Post
I can understand wanting to bump up the sg with sugar but i don't get going to max limits of turbo yeast.
1.08-1.09 bump with sugar would have made a decent run without altering the flavour a ton.

While mashing you should add your malted barley after your temp has dropped to 145-150 or you will destroy a lot of enzymes in the grain that is cruical for conversion.


I have had good luck on sugar washes in the past with going to full limit but didn't feel as if I was pushing that hard getting it up to 12% possible ABV... I will know when I run it I guess though. I get what you are saying, nonetheless, I can only see what transpires now and adjust in future attempts.

I agree with you on the malting temp. I was actually going to go that route at first but I had company over and I was hurrying along and accidentally added my malt while talking to my friend so that is why it went in at the first. I went through the heat up super slowly trying to salvage conversion if possible. I tried to keep it at conversion temps as long as possible before going higher. I think my SG after mashing was acceptable for an AG so I feel as if I had a decent conversion.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:23:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shovelhead91701 Go to Quoted Post
The SG after adding the sugar went to 1.130.


Thats 18% not 12%. 12 would have been reasonable.
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#8 Posted : Friday, December 14, 2012 3:06:47 AM(UTC)
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As usual, you are correct sir......... Maybe I do need glasses?

I'm 6 days in and didn't check it this morning. I guess when I get home I will try to see if I still have any activity and give it a taste for sweetness if it looks done.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:51:19 AM(UTC)
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8 days in and still bubbling away! A big rolling bubble set every 6 or 7 seconds. I would have thought it would be done by now! Especially when using whiskey distiller's yeast instead of turbo with the calculation mistakes I made adding the sugar. Hopefully the yeast can hang in there and I can get a full conversion!
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