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#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:33:07 AM(UTC)
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Still new to the game and trying to figure it all out....i have a 1500 watt burner, 36inch copper column, filled with copper. when i heat the unit up, my therometer when reading 78-81 unit will start producing. At the sign of the first drip, I turn on the reflux,the water is quite cool. the temp will then drop to about 70 and remain.
i eventually worked the system, water off until temp is 80 and producing, water on when the cooling pipes became warm to the touch. Back and forth, I must say however this product was cleaning smelling, tasting etc....rum proofed out at 86
My question is what the heck is going on. Is the burner malfunctioning....i did test it and it registered 808 degrees ,setting on my laser therometer could go no higher, and i bipassed the reostat, or could it be that i packed the column too tight with copper?
i think i may have a defective burner, i mean without the reflux the temp would increase quickly, but once the water was kicked on irregardless of the volume, the temp would drop and never recover... help

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:33:52 AM(UTC)
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Stephen,

I had the same issue, when I was first starting out. You need a good valve into your reflux line inlet so that you can control the rate of flow and thus the temp. and speed of collection.

This will also give you control for better cuts and higher puality for your hearts.

Since my water is also very cold, I had to make a split in the feed line, because if I cut the water flow to the reflux, I then wouldn't have enough flowing to my condenser- seperate water feeds solved the problem.

Sounds like your element is working just fine.

Good luck!
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:38:45 AM(UTC)
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Stephen,

Was that 808 deg. or 80.8?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:45:00 AM(UTC)
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John, Thanks for the response....the element when i measured it was putting out 808 degrees... i am sure it was hotter, but my laser could not calibrate any higher.....back to the water. my pump has an adjustment, but doesnt close all the way, i guess to prevent the motor from burning out. i know when i have choked it all the back, as far as it goes, it still cools the column off. the valve you referenced, is it placed inline from the hose ,connected to the pump, that goes into the column? My last cooling issue was that the water was not cool enough, i could keep the temp at 78.9--82 due to the water being warm, however the product was nasty to say the least? stephen
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:37:29 AM(UTC)
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Stephen,

Yes the valve will be inline from the pump, but after a T fitting splitting the flow to the condenser. Thus you should have total control of the temp. at the takeoff point.

Just a few comments of things I found greatly helped me: Insulate the column, I insulate both the column and top half of my boiler, but I use propane, you could insulate all. I also always do stripping runs, collecting all and saveing that up until I have done 3 runs, and then combining all into a spirit run- actrally saves time, and a much better product. And for the spirit run, I add bakeing soda ,Usually to the stripped run just after collection,, and a small handful of canning salt ,no iodine,. I no longer have to filter my final product- I at least can't tell the diff.

Brewhaus has a prebuilt valve assembly that you might want to look at.

It does seem every run gets better as I continue to learn more finesse.

Have fun!
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:04:02 AM(UTC)
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John:

How much baking soda and salt do you add to your stripped run?

Does the valve assembly that brewhaus sells have the bugs worked out of it yet? The last I read on here there was a lot of problems with it.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:43:50 PM(UTC)
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Hey Elricko,

I use a heapeing tablespoon each of the soda and salt per each gallon. I just sorta dump it in.

As for the setup you are referring to about the Brewhaus still modification, I do not believe it has been corrected yet.

What I was referring to was their simple water valve control, to split cooling water seperately to the condensor and the vapor management lines, in response to Stephens posts previously.

Just ran 2 spirit runs today useing the salt only on corn whiskey runs ,I only use the soda for neutral results,, and it really does define the cuts quite sharply for me. And salt is very cheap.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:57:41 PM(UTC)
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Elricko,
Just wanted to say it was a nice article in the new distilling magazine. I look forward to the next issue. Thanks!
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:06:15 PM(UTC)
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John..... What article and where do you go to read it.......
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:59:45 AM(UTC)
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John:

Thanks a lot. We are working on the next issue as we speak. Do you have any suggestions about articles you would like to see?

Guzzler:

I am writing for a new magazine called Distilling Quarterly. John is referring to our first issue. TDM is the managing editor and is doing a fantastic job. Right now ,as the name suggests, it is a quarterly magazine. We will be covering the distilling industry both hobby and commercial. You can download it right now from a number of sources such as www.homedistiller.org but we will have a regular web page up soon as it's permanent home. We are hopping this will become the magazine of choice for distillers kind of like a mixture of Zymurgy and All About Beer is for the homebrewer. So far we are getting pretty good feedback from different parts of the world. I hope you enjoy it.

Our next step is to get some advertising to help defray some of the costs. We are looking for someone with sales experience to work with us on this. If you are anyone else is interested let me know. For example I think this would be a great place for Brewhaus to advertise. What do you think Rick?

Cheers.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:21:00 AM(UTC)
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Rick//John What is the brewhaus catalog number so I can order one of these wonder gadgets....thanks. stephen stephn
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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:19:28 AM(UTC)
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Stephen,
Go to Brewhaus.com get their number, and call as I think you have to order clamps seperately? and you may need an additional short piece of hose also?
They don't have a parts number in the catalogue, but is called 'water control system'

Ask for Rick, he is the one who helped me figure out how to solve my initial problem.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:25:14 AM(UTC)
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Stephen:

Go to:
http://www.brewhaus.com/Water_Control_System_p/40002600.htm

For the record I use a regular hose splitter from Home Depot to accomplish the same thing, but it's not as cool looking as the one Brewhaus sells.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:59:13 AM(UTC)
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Elricko,

Well since you asked! I know that I, and I think I would be speaking for many others, would really appreciate a very precise, complete, start to finish ,drink, wort preperation, and with pictures. For instance, a Scotch recipie, with the exact proportions and type of say DME, the amount of peated, the best yeast for the particular wort, clearing, distilling with cuts etc.

If each issue had a different recipie and method for the very best and easiest end product- real quality rum ,with setback?,, Irish, Oat, gin, all grain, How to do a start to finish mash for say a really great bourbon, ageing ,times, types and quantaties of wood, some charred, some toasted? etc.

This, I firmly believe would have tremendous draw and enthusiasm for your new publication. And people love pictures!

And Yes Brewhaus would be a good candidate. They or perhaps a brew supply could make up a complete kit of the exact malts, yeast, enzymes, wood,glycerin etc. for that scotch, rye, or boubon recipie, with the link right on the article?
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#15 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:10:50 AM(UTC)
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John:

Thank you. I will be happy to do a series of articles like you suggest. I really like the idea about a supply company putting together a kit as well. Great ideas! Keep them comming.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:01:00 AM(UTC)
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John, appreciate your insight in identifying my techincal issues. Elricko, i have a mash thats ready to go now. any chance you can shoot me a picture of your set up with the water separator thingmajig.....I am clear on its function but not on its install? thanks. stephen
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#17 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:10:15 AM(UTC)
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Elricko..... I went to www.homedistiller.org and looked thru thier site including whats new and could not find anything about distilling quarterly or any articles, but maybe my eyes are bad and it is just hiding in there somewhere.
I do think it's a great idea....
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#18 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:45:51 AM(UTC)
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Stephen:

Click on the link below:

http://tvbeer.com/cool1.htm

That should explain the whole thing. Let me know if you have any questions about it.

Guzzler:

Let me get back to you on this.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:24:04 AM(UTC)
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Elricko,

Actually, I was just thinking, that with all the interest, posts and discussions, on all the forums in the last 6 months- most with differing concepts, that absinthe would be interesting also, and a total kit, seems like it would be a sure winner, even containing a bag. Seems everyone has to shop 4 or 5 different places to get all the ingredients, if they can even find them, and quality is sometimes an issue.
Just a thought.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:57:01 AM(UTC)
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elricko, thanks for the pixs...i had checked them out earlier....here is my problem. i have only one input source, ie water goes into the top portion of the column, passes through to the reflux via copper tube, then it comes out the bottom part of the reflux, back through the lower portion of the column via copper tube back into the cooler. my still does not have separate input/output on the reflux portion? Any suggestions...other than changing units. My problem was that once the column got up to temp, water would be turned on at a very low rate, and chill the column so much that i could never get it back up to steam....other than turning on and off? stephen
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