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#1 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2006 7:25:53 AM(UTC)
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i have made several good batches, and never experience a problem with my heat untill yesterday. i have been using an 1100 watt hot plate. normally it takes 2-3 hours to get up to temp., but yesterday it took 6-7 hours. this is the first time i've experienced this problem. after my run i took my heater apart to check the integrity of it's inner workings, and everything checked good. i know it was much cooler yesterday than it's been any other day i've ran it. but i guess i'm asking if it would be in my best interset to go to a 1500 watt heater. also i run mine inside so i don't have worry with wind or anything like that
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2006 11:57:00 AM(UTC)
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From all that I've read, a 1500 watt heat source is by far the best way to go. Everyone says that the 1100 watt is just too slow to get the process working. I bought a 1500 watt but have not tried it out yet. Waiting for instructions from Rick as to how to adapt it to a constant heat rather than it cycling on and off. Don't take my word for it, read around and you will find where many others have had the same problem as you are having now.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2006 3:37:49 PM(UTC)
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thank you. i hope this will work.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2006 3:44:02 PM(UTC)
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1500w is far too potent a heat source. 1100w is perfect.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:45:19 AM(UTC)
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Hello Buzzman, try checking out the thread/post above, titled 'Rick or anyone-Please help me' ,I think 'freebrew made the last post to this thread on 12/20/05,. There are some very helpful photos embeded in the begining of this post, that show you how to do this as well as supplemental comments that should have you 'cooking' fairly quickly. I don't recall if this was an 1100 or 1500watt setup that was being modified, but I've been running a small pot still with a leibieg type condenser, on 1100watts for quite some time now. Just takes me a little longer to get up to operating temp, but once you're there, it'll cook right along. I've never tried to prove this, but I think that 1500watts of 'unbridled' heat 'MAY,?,' cause you a little more problems with cooling the ,you might get more 'spitting' and vapor than distillate, vapor in a small still ,20liters or less,. Not really sure, anyway; what I do is heat my pot on the kitchen stove then ,CAREFULLY, move it onto my little 'hotwired' 1100watt hotplate to finish the run! Hey, it works for me!
Course you wanna decide for yerself though.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:49:49 PM(UTC)
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thanks a bunch spiritmaker. this is the first time i've had this problem. like you said normally it takes a little while to get to temp ,2-3 hours usually for me, and after that it goes right on along. i'm not sure why this time was so different. i may try this heater again just to see if it was a one time fluke. however i'm more interested in your theory of the problems with a higher heat source. you see i've acquired ,for free, a nice industrial 220 volt, 1900 watt heater. now, being an electrical technician, i've worked with things like this for some time. so i'm thinking i'll install a rheostat to tame it down a bit and try this out. if nothing else, it will cut down on electricity used since it's 220 volt. again thanks spiritmaker
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:27:21 PM(UTC)
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Hey buzzman, Spiritmaker here, have you considered using this setup to get yer system up to temp on 220 volts and then unpluging it from the 220v and plugging it into a 120volt pigtail? This ,so I am told, will reduce the wattage and allow you to manage your pot still a little easier. I have also been told that doing this actually reduced the wattage to just one quarter. ,Example: 1900watts
240v reduced to 120v now=475watts, I still have trouble getting my mind around this, cause i always thought that watts were watts and volts wuz volts. In other words if you halve the volts, I thought you would get half th watts or in this example, 950watts! As for saving on cost of electricity, you'd be consuming fewer watts wouldn't you? I dunno, yer th electrician and I'm POSITIVE that you have forgotten more than I've learned about th subject ,seriously,, so mebbie you can help me here? In any case i'd also be interested in what kind of ,how much it costs and where I can get one too,, rheostat yer talkin 'bout.
Thanks a million buzzman,
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:28:13 AM(UTC)
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Hello buzzman I bought a hot plate off e-bay It is called a Lang Hot Plate , it is 18' across the top, it runs on 220 volte. It has two separate heating elements ,& each has its own temperature control, I have ben useing this for around 2 years now, it took some getting used to, but once I, mastered the temp control, I can heat up any size cooker that will fit on top, & do it really fast or really slow. I learned that if it starts to get a little too hot I hust either turn off one of the elements, or turn them down. It cured all of my heating problems, no more long wait's in order to do the job. The plates sell for only around 50 dollars, or at least did when I bought mine.The only problem is the size, & weight, It is around 27' tall & weighs around 120 pounds, ti cost more to ship it than to buy it. All I can tell you is that it cured all of my heating problems. I just have to watch it a little more closely. But it is worth more than I payed for it. Hope this helps
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:50:52 PM(UTC)
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first off thanks very much don, your heater has peeked my interest and i think i'll look into that. secondly, to spiritmaker, you are right on your thinking. if you half your voltage you will essentially half your output power ,or wattage,. with the rheostat you will put a voltage drop across it to limit your output to the heater. basically just like a dimmer switch in your house. and since you can get rheostats that are variable, i could set it up to heat up at full power, then adjust it down to whatever i wanted to. i haven't yet had time to price one, however i'll keep your interest in mind and let you know where to get one, price, and if needed how to wire it up. after all that's why we're here, to help each other.
thanks alot,
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:55:47 PM(UTC)
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Hello again buzzman, thanks for your reply. I would like to know what kind, where to get and how much cost, your rheostat is? What I had in mind is a rather simple approach, more like plugging into 240v to heat up, then unplugging and replugging again into 120v supply. This is over simplicity since there is no control other than choosing the voltage source, so your suggestion sorta grabs my attention here!

Just a side question, how much heat ,wattage, is needed to distil a 20L ,5-gallon, boiler full of wash? I'm still trying to decide how much wattage I will need to run my rig. As I said earlier, I have been using an 1100watt hotplate, but now I'd like to install an internal hotwater element. Problem is, I don't know how to calculate the watts needed for optimim heat in a 20liter boiler! Can you help?
Thanks in advance for yer help.

Boy, i'm sitting here enjoying a 'snifter' of some of the best, real homemade brandy I have made yet! My problem has been that I had been operating a small ,4-liter, potstill and can't make enough product to let it set and properly mature. However, this last batch has taught me a valuable lesson. So, from now on, I WILL WAIT! Course I knew this, it's just that I get too thirsty ,impatient, to wait! Oh well, much ado 'bout nuthin, I guess, but thanks buzzman, I appreciate your suggestions.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:28:34 PM(UTC)
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hey there spiritmaker, for some reason after reading your last post something clicked in my head. not only could this be achieved with a rheostat, but i've used a variable transformer somewhere before. i'm currently getting price quotes on both. as far as your question on how much heat ,wattage, is needed to distill a 5 gallon wash, off the top of my head i'm not sure. however i know i read about some interesting plans of doing an internal heater in a book called making pure corn whiskey. but now that i think about it they were using a 12 gallon wash. still the book was interesting. now i'm really wanting to give you a better answer. i will see if i can find the book, and let you know more. right now i just got work and i'm quite drained and my mind aint functioning right,need a few good shots and a bed,. i will keep you informed on what i find. thanks for the interest.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:32:32 PM(UTC)
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hey, especially you, spiritmaker. just thought i'd let you know i'm still here, and working on this heater project. first of all let me apologize for telling you wrong about something. i guess i misinterpreted one of your questions. if you half your voltage you will get one quarter your wattage. much apologies for the confusion. i think at the time i was thinking about you would half your current. you see our local utilities provider has switch contracts and our bills have went up as much as 40%, because of this. one of the reasons to go with this 240 volt heater for me. i have been talking to suppliers and have looked at several different options of taming this larger heat source down. and i've found a place that offers a thermostat, which really you vary how long power is supplied to the heater with. for very cheap, including s&h 34 dollars. since i use a diffuser plate anyhow. i think i'm going to see if this set up will fly. as for your question about the internal heater. if you use a 3000 watt 240 volt hotwater element, but apply 120 volts, you'll end up with 750 watts. this should also extend the life of the element, since your're not applying as much power. according to the book i mentioned as long as you have good cleared mash, you almost never have a problem with burning your mash and getting that burnt flavor. also according to the book with a 750 watt heater it will take 3 1/2 hours to boil 20 liters of mash. i really hope this helps. if you have anything i could help you with it will be my pleasure.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:09:36 PM(UTC)
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Hey Buzzman, well bless your lil pea pickin heart. I'd say I love ya man but that would be going WAY too far! So I will just say thanks a gazillion bro, I thought I had it right but I just could'nt comprehend the physics involved with halving one thing and ending up with less! As for the rheostat you mentioned, $34.00 is a lil steep, but I would be willing to pay that ,especially if it works, and lasts a while,! Thanks too for answering my question about the heat up time for 20 liters at 750watts. I think, ,if I can get one of those rheostats, I will run my element on 230vac until I get up to operating temp, then switch to 120vac ,making the needed adjustments via the rheostat, till I finish the run! I just made a brandy run today with my 20-liter pot and just hadda sample a wee taste an that may be why I'm seeing everything a lil bit blurried tonight! Danm that stuff is good and I didn't even take time to let it age yet either! I gotta get a handle on my thirst ,impatience, and wait a coupla days, huh? In any case, where can I get this rheostat you mentioned? Also, I really could use some advice with wiring this rig together, so if'n you wanna share ennythang, PLEASE DO SO! Thanks my friend, I. gink I'm tetting a lil grunk or sumpin here! Damn thats good stuff! Burns like fire! Wheeeo! Wish I could share some with you guys, but I only got a little more than a gallon and a half of finished ,after making generious cuts and diluting with a little water, of product, so I guess there jis ain't 'nuff to go 'round, huh? Bye th way, I used 'pot distillers yeast' and canned grape juice to make this stuff and it sure did make some powerful ,high abv, stuff! So, thanks again Buzzman, I really do apprecialte your help and for that matter, all yer postings. And a special thanks to Rick for making this forum available to us in th' first place! God that's good stuff!
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#14 Posted : Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:17:33 PM(UTC)
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hey spiritmaker, sounds like you are having way too much fun. wish i was there. anyhow, the thermostat that i told you about you can get from patriot-supply.com. the original part number is inf-240-14b, however the replacement part number is 5500-213. i just ordered mine last night. the actual part was 24 bucks, the shipping was an additional 10. i will be more than happy to help you in any way possible with wiring diagrams or advice. remember though for your question i was talking about running a 3000 watt, 240 heater on 120 volt to acheive 750 watts. so it sounds to me like you would want to use your 1100 watt hotplate to get your mash boiling, then switch to your hotwater heater element. 'cause as i said it'll take 31/2 hours to get the mash boiling with the internal element according to what i've read. i don't know how long it takes your hotplate, maybe shorter, maybe longer. now back to your teasing me with this great brandy, i've only been doing this hobby a short while, but i love it. and i've only made sugar washes so far. wanted to get the basics down first. i've been wanting to try my hand at making some brandy. please, please, please shed some light my way. tell me a good way. i would really like to know how you do this, since yours is sooooo goood.
thank you in advance,
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 03, 2006 11:56:15 AM(UTC)
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Hey man, just ask an ya gets it! I just ran off a tad over 3 liters today from a sugar/water ,plus 2oz. tomato paste for nutrients, wash. It is quite good but it will be better after I let it set and marry with a little oak for flavor and color. As for my brandy, I cheat! I make a simple ,cheap, grape ,or whatever fruit juice you wanna use ,,no citrus!,, canned or concentrate, dosen't seem to matter much, wine using a 'Turbo'ed' wine yeast!

I like Lalvin EC1118 for wine ,brings out the flavors,, I use three ,sometimes four, of the little sachets of yeast all at once. It works fast but will not finish off higher than 15-16%abv, so this last batch I added more sugar and half package of 'Pot Distillers Yeast' ,from Brewhaus, to kick it on up to around 20%.

Then I distil it once, toss the first 50ml, and making very tight cuts ,collecting a lot of not so bad tasting tails for later use, bottle the rest. I then add a generious amount ,your taste, of sweet raisins to the brandy and let this 'marry' ,shaking up the fruit/brandy mix a little each day, for two to three days ,again, your taste, and serve at room temp on a chilly evening! Hot DAMN, thats good!
I might mention that the 'Pot Yeast' doesn't make a really great tasting wine ,in fact it's so damned strong I'd rather distil it before drinking it!,

If you are into wine making then you can ignore my suggestions for making that and just distill whatever you alredy have on hand. In any case, I'm betting that you will have a good product in the end, just drink enough and you won't really care anyway, at least til the next day! LOL
By the way, I rarely ,never, get a hangover cause I use good yeast, either 'Prestige Vodka Yeast', 'Pot Distillers Yeast' or 'Lalvin' AND I make very tight cuts ,I can always recycle the taols later,! Give it a try, I'm betting you will like it.
Spiritmaker
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#16 Posted : Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:07:39 AM(UTC)
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hey, spiritmaker, could i get a few more instructions. like i said i haven't been doing this long and never done a brandy. to make a 20 liter wash how much fruit juice, water, sugar do i need? and how much more sugar did you add with the pot distillers yeast. sorry to sound dumb, but i'm just learning. i've got some of the pot yeast already because i want to try some brandy. i will get the lalvin, and i hope with your help i can make something as nice as you've seemed to have made. talk to you soon.
buzzman
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#17 Posted : Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:24:05 PM(UTC)
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are you out there spiritmaker? hey i'm getting some of that lalvin you told me about. i would still appreciate some more insight in the recipe. i'm not sure if this recent chaos on the forum has kept you from answering, but if you're out there and don't mind, drop me a line. if you want you can send me an e-mail direct. i guess my info will come up if you click on my name. i really hope to here from you soon. not trying to bother you, just want to keep going with this wonderfull hobby. thanks in advance. oh yeah, by the way i got my thermostat in. just made some feet for the heater. so it's not sitting on the floor. fixed some pretty sweet leveling feet out of some 1 inch stainless steel round stock. can't wait to try it out. hopefully with some good brandy, with your help of course.
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