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Offline blaztaz  
#1 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:22:51 PM(UTC)
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"I have everything set up and ready. But I am nervous about a few things so I have questions that I haven't been able to find answers to in other posts and the books on the BH page.

Why do they tell you to filter at 42-50%?

I want to make my final product come out at 50% but I have a feeling that it will mix with the water I am supposed to keep in the column and I will get a lower percentage than I want. CAN I carbon filter the straight product I have distilled, or do I have to dilute it first?

If I must dilute it, will it get further dilution going through the carbon filter column that has water before it and after it?

What is the highest concentration of dilution I should send through the carbon filter column?

What is the maximum amount of product I should run through the filter before I reclaim the carbon and filter again?

Thanks,

Blaztaz"
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#2 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:57:03 PM(UTC)
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"Why, well, the high proof hooch just dosent work well with carbon - cant remember exactly why right now but cutting to 120 or so is what I have always done and even if theres some water left in the column once you start to filter your hooch it should still come out at 100-110 proof.

Most of the water will come out before you filter your hooch but of course there will be a little left behind but if you go with the 120 proof the first time you'll know for sure, but my opinion is no higher than that.

Not sure what you mean by reclaim but --(i think yo mean clean it) again in my opinion you could run 100 gallons through it if you put quality hooch through it and not heads and tails, my reason for that is I have a water treatment system and we only change that carbon once a year - how much water goes through that in a year???????"
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#3 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:13:35 PM(UTC)
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"In the books I am reading, it says to fill the column with water, add the carbon, but never let the water leave the carbon. When you have all the carbon in the column, add a couple liters of water to the funnel. Once the water reaches the bottom of your funnel, add the product. Then when the product reaches the bottom of the funnel, add another liter of water. They say you do not want to ever let it run out of water or you will get air and that is bad because it will cause it to no filter properly.

It seems to me that you are going to get some mixing going on there. Am I understanding this incorrectly?"
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#4 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:26:45 PM(UTC)
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In the books I am reading, it says to fill the column with water, add the carbon, but never let the water leave the carbon. When you have all the carbon in the column, add a couple liters of water to the funnel. Once the water reaches the bottom of your funnel, add the product. Then when the product reaches the bottom of the funnel, add another liter of water. They say you do not want to ever let it run out of water or you will get air and that is bad because it will cause it to no filter properly.

It seems to me that you are going to get some mixing going on there. Am I understanding this incorrectly?


Well what they are trying to get you to do is fill the tube completely (no voids in the layering) and the water will help settle all the carbon in the tube and get it packed nice and snuggly all the way through the tube. You'll see if the carbon is dry it will be dusty so by adding water to the tube and then adding the carbon it will fill the tube and as you drain it off it will pull all the dust with it. If you dont pour water through it several times all that dust will end up in your hooch.
What I found is to boil the carbon for a while and then lay it out on a cookie sheet to dry. Then add it to your tube and pour water through it until it runs clean.
As far as never letting it get dry, I've never heard that and I never worried about mine getting dry and it still seams to work. But thats just me."
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#5 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:46:14 PM(UTC)
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"Based on my fears, I tend to agree with what you say, but this is the excerpt from the book. It is what is causing me concern I guess.

6. Pour in alcohol as the last drops of water drain from the funnel. Taste the filtered
water/alcohol, and as soon as the alcohol emerges, let it run into a container.
Cover the funnel with a lid to avoid vaporization of the alcohol.
7. When the last drops of alcohol leave the funnel, pour in a liter of water to ensure
that all alcohol is filtered through. Again, taste the filtered alcohol/water, and
discard the water.
8. This way, the carbon is started, and all air in the tube is expelled. It also eliminates
the bypass "channels" formed when using dry carbon, and prevents changes in
the pH-value (from 7 to 10) that normally occur when the soluble substances in
the carbon are dissolved in water or alcohol."
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#6 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:29:12 PM(UTC)
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do a test with just water and see how much liquid comes out before you start getting the filtered alcohol-- once you know that, you can change receiving vessels at close to the correct time.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:11:40 PM(UTC)
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"You really are making this more of an issue than it needs to be.......I'm not saying the book you are reffering to is wrong I'm just saying it's not that big a deal. Once your tube is filled are they saying you should NEVER allow it to dry or stand without water in it ever again????? I dont think so......

When I used mine before I added hooch I would always pour water down the chute then when it stopped dripping I would add the hooch. Remember it gonna hold some in the carbon, when it started running again I would taste it until likker started coming out and then change the catch cup, its just that simple. It always ran very slowly, and after all the hooch was discharged I would add another cup or so of water just to get all the likker out of the carbon. Of course the water would pull the reamaining likker with it but thats not the end of the world. I never stored my filter with water standing in it and waiting for the next use, and actually I never even heard of that.
Try this.......

Clean your carbon..fill your tube..pour water through it until it stops dripping ( it will retain some ) pour your hooch (120 proof) through the filter and capture it on the other end and take a reading (whats the proof) then you will know what proof to use form now on.
And in the future when you learn to make good hooch you will prolly not use the filter anyway. I used one for some time until I learned to make clean fresh hooch and did'nt think it needed to be filtered anymore. It cant hurt to use one but I dont think I need it anymore. And actually there are likker companies that filter their hooch twice because the carbon they use adds a flavor to the likker but I'm pretty sure the carbon you and I use wont do that.
Anyway lighten up and dont get so serious about the filter you really cant screw it up - just lower the proof and pour it through, if the proof was too high it wont kill your likker or your carbon it just wont work. And if you send it through and you dont like it you can always re-distill it, but remember a carbon filter wont turn urinal water into JackDaniels. Remember .... something good in = something good or a little better out. Sh-t in then Sh-t out just carbon filtered."
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#8 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 7:10:22 AM(UTC)
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Ok, I pulled the trigger and here is what happened.

I followed the instructions from the book with the exception of the abv that I was pushing through the filter. The first thing to note is that paper tears when there is a column of water on top of it. I used two of the pieces that came with my kit from BH. I filled the column and was tipping the pot to start adding the activated carbon when the paper ripped and filled my kitchen with water. (SO glad it went before I added the carbon).

Round two... I added 4 coffee filters and two more of the ones from BH. Added a column of water and waited for it to drain completely. Filled the column with water again (tempting the thing to break again). I let that drain, then filled again and added the carbon. Everything held and I was nervous. But I didn't have any more problems with it. I then added two liters of water and waited for it to go below the carbon and I added my 65% mix.

Fear beat me down for the next 15-30 min as I tasted only water coming out of the filter. I figured it all mixed and would never taste correct (kidding, but it did take a long time to get my product to start coming out) I did notice that the product went through the whole contraption faster than the water did. Once it started to come out, I collected in a new jar and kept track of how much went in and how much was coming out.

It took several hours to get it all through, but once the product fell below the carbon at the top of the column, I added a liter of water and waited until I got close to the same amount of product reclaimed as I had put in. It was a little less when I started to taste a mix of the water and product. At first it was so minor I thought I was just imagining it, but it quickly proved that my taste buds were not lying to me. I kept collecting, but did not add this to my stronger stuff. The later stuff ended up being about 35%, but with the water I added, I didn't like the flavor. I put this in a jar and will add it to another run of the still.

I ended up with a little less than I put in, but it came out at 64%. I did like the difference in the product afterward. The taste was the same (to your point heeler, it won't make toilet water into Jack Daniels) but, it DID have a distinct smoothness that it did not have before. And the smell was non existent in the final product.

Here are some things I will do to make it better next time.
1. I will use distilled water to prep everything. I didn't think of the effect of tap water in this whole process, but think it will improved with distilled water.
2. I like the way it turned out, so I may get the stainless setup instead of this flimsy plastic thing I got in my kit. ( I ended up having it tied to my cupboards with twine to level it and keep it from flopping around.
3. I want to create a cap to go over the end to support the paper filters. (Keep them from tearing and dumping everything out.)
4. Take heeler's advise and quit over thinking it so much (Have more fun with it Tongue)
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#9 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2013 9:43:58 AM(UTC)
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The carbon filter that I purchased from Brewhaus has a coupling that would prevent the paper from tearing. How old is your carbon filter???

THE NEEDLE VALVE IS AN OPTION but I don't see how the paper could tear.


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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:37:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: scotty Go to Quoted Post
The carbon filter that I purchased from Brewhaus has a coupling that would prevent the paper from tearing. How old is your carbon filter???

THE NEEDLE VALVE IS AN OPTION but I don't see how the paper could tear.


I was going through the product list today and saw what you were talking about. I never received that with my filter set up. I didn't even know it existed until today when I ran across it.

When I first received mine, I didn't get the two couplings and silicon to put it together. All I received for the filters was the paper and the hose clamps. I didn't receive the end cap on the replacement that they sent me. Although there was a hose in it. (I have been wondering what it was for!!) This is what caused it to tear. The filters were supporting all the weight. When I only had water in it, I would imagine it was a bit worse since there was no support from the compacted carbon supporting some of its own weight.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:17:47 AM(UTC)
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how long does it take to filter 6 qts through the B H stainless filter system? also[scotty] where did you get the SS needle valve?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:26:54 AM(UTC)
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how long does it take to filter 6 qts through the B H stainless filter system? also[scotty] where did you get the SS needle valve?


I got the valve from Rick. There is a recommended rate which I don't have in my head but I will look.

I seem to remember 650ml/HR. I cant remember where I read it.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:43:31 AM(UTC)
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I believe that the following is a quote from uncle GERT.

" The filtration must go as slowly as possible without stopping, or the effects are much reduced. The filtration rate must not rise above approx 400ml per hour. With some carbons the speed can be higher. "
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:27:15 AM(UTC)
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the rate i'm getting is about 240 that seemed to be a little slow.but what do i know,its my first try.
after i started getting product my first jar proofed at 86 my second at 88 and i started at 100.
thanks, for all
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