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Offline Twoeightnine  
#21 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:36:30 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks Larry.
I was reading the other day that, especially with respect to virgin oak, that the proof levels do infact draw out different characteristics from the oak depending on the ABV percentages. And the ""toasting"" temps (not the charring process) also affect and/or draw out different aromas in the oak.
Very interesting indeed.
The Daniels company ""toasts"" their oak very carefully for a specified affect on the oak. Fortunately Im using pre ""toasted"" oak that has also had a chance to mello. If I had started with virgin oak, after my read, I would have probably pulled it out and started over. Sometimes I get luck like that!! Ha!

Every day it gets surprisingly, noticeably, mellower. Cant wait to sample.

Thanks for all...."
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#22 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 2:06:57 AM(UTC)
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"Basic question. How does one create an alligator char for a stick? I don't have a propane torch.

Thanks in advance."
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#23 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 5:02:17 AM(UTC)
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"Howdy.
A twenty dollar bill will get you an inexpensive torch at Wal-Mart or your local hardware store. But if you have a gas range or outdoor cooker you can use that with some tongs.
I used my gas burner that I distill with. Packed some choice chuncks into a wire basket that one would do fish or shrimp on. I had it for years and never used it.
Seriously, the torch you need is not very expensive. It comes with it's own propane tank and tip.

Smoke on!!"
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#24 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 9:07:32 AM(UTC)
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"Steve,
You could pull the grates off of your grill and use a pair of tongs to hold your sticks on the fire.

But if you are gonna do any still builds or mods on your exsisting still you will need a torch any way.

Cheap enough and a good tool to have.

289,
I find that the alligator char gives me the color and aroma that I most prefer. Some times I see those stock photos of a glass of delightfully colored likker and it just gets my mouth watering.

My personal goal was the color and nose of Pompero (rum), but with the passing of time I seem to be moving more and more full circle back to the silver.

Batch white is getting good press lately. Maybe I am falling for the trend?"
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#25 Posted : Friday, June 04, 2010 10:13:45 AM(UTC)
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"There is another option that works as well and for some spirits even better.

Get a gallon or whatever size metal can like a clean paint can, or if you have one of those new fangled can openers like i have where you can reseal the can after opening, put it inverted in the fire with the lid alongside. Burn all he coatings off. Scrub the inside clean. Fill with your sticks and seal with a hole from a nail or ice pick in the top. Bake at 450 F for an hour or more, (up till it reaches your desired toast) all gasses are not longer comeing out. With gloves on, open and inspect a piece with pliers or tongs. If not dark enough for you, heat it more. This really makes a great ageing wood with strips or chunks and toasts it much deeper.

You can also do the same thing with several layers of al. foil wrapping the bunch of wood strips and with a small hole to allow the gasses out, but no O2 in.
HTH."
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:01:46 AM(UTC)
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This is what oaked aged 60% sweetfeed hooch looks like. As you can see one is finsihed and one is waiting for the sticks to be added. I get my sticks by cutting a oak limb thats about 1 inch in diameter and splitting it 4 times. Then take my little propane torch and burn it (or char it) to this point. It gives a nice amber color and this is after 5 days with oak. Now I hope I can let it go for a while to age. Oh the paper you see under the ring is so it can breath. Theres no cap just the ring to hold the paper and keep out the vermin.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:49:34 AM(UTC)
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"Heeler, I see you just put an alligator char to fresh oak and did not roast, does that work just as well?

I just put some 40% neutral on alligator charred 1 year dried hickoy that I roasted for 3 hours in an aluminum pouch at 400F first. Charring to a nice crosscut gator skin only takes a few seconds with a propane touch. This is just a test to see what it may taste like when I get around to aging the wheat bran, but am really after the mellowing effect rather than flavoring."
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:34:11 AM(UTC)
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"I read that someone soaks in water for a while and then chars the wood??? I cut mine green on the tree, remove the bark and then split and char. I will let someone with more knowledge of this process chime in as I dont want to give you info that would ruin your hooch. It seems to work for me but I'm from the south.... If you get it dried and then soak it to get it damp, then burn it, woooweeee..I'll just say it works for me.
I leave mine at 60% so when I cut it will get mellower and lighter. I know when they use oak for barrels its dried and then they char heavily then put about a gallon of water in the barrel and plug the bung hole. The steam puts out the fire and dampens the wood again. I'm not sure either way you do it is wrong -- just different."
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:49:53 AM(UTC)
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Thanks, I saw that soaking was the first step but my wood is split and sits in the rain all year so I thought that it was a moot point and just take longer to char.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:06:27 AM(UTC)
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"Dried wood isn't just a referance to the amount of water in the wook, its the oils also. You can quickly force dry oak, hickory or apple woods just as nature does, by placeing your split or sawn green wood into the freezer overnight and into hot or dry location during the day.
the freezing crystalizes the moisture and the heat evaporates it. You know its done when no more moisture at all appears.

I think the best quality for flavor is a slow roast to a med. toast, then an alligator charon 2 sides/ No soaking. The steam used for barrels, is superheated live steam. No moisture is introduced as its way beyond the temp. to condense. Simular to the process for makeing activated charcoal, but not as intense. If you soak your woods prior to toasting you will get color, but none of the vanillans and tannins etc. you want for good flavors. The toasting needs to penetrate deep for that. Skim charring and or to deep charring will kill those also.

For a good mellow neutral nothing beats a bit of ageing with activated stone carbon, then a bit of aireation, till just right. If cuts are made right, I am talking about makeing Grey Goose being garbage in comparison. Doesn't happen overnight."
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:35:46 AM(UTC)
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"Thanks for the wood info good to know.

Originally Posted by: mtnwalker2 Go to Quoted Post
For a good mellow neutral nothing beats a bit of ageing with activated stone carbon, then a bit of aireation, till just right. If cuts are made right, I am talking about makeing Grey Goose being garbage in comparison. Doesn't happen overnight.


I have 2 -12oz jars of 40% neutral on charred sticks and 2 - 12oz jars with 1"" balls of carbon boiled and dried as instructed wrapped in filter paper. I shake daily a few times and also open them for about an hour each day to air.

When my pending 30 gallons of wash is done I will be able to let them age longer as I have already gotten into one of the carbon jars after only a week of sitting. It seemed to taste better (or less taste) but I have been known to drink neutral hot out of the still at 190 without a problem."
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:02:17 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the wood info good to know.





When my pending 30 gallons of wash is done I will be able to let them age longer as I have already gotten into one of the carbon jars after only a week of sitting. It seemed to taste better (or less taste) but I have been known to drink neutral hot out of the still at 190 without a problem.


CC. You may think you are drinking it without a problem. It will desensitise your mucous membranes, ie. kill them, so you are no longer sensative. Then your bronchial and then your stomach and organs. This is poisen at that strength. Better to dilute it, drink twice as much or twice as fast, though I don't recommend that either. but a heck of a lot safer.

To any reading this, alchohol kills and wipes out B vitimins, esp. B 12. Suggest takeing a B complex before first drink, another during and another first thing in the morning. Your day will be a hundred percent better."
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:11:30 AM(UTC)
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Good catch, I would never drink it straight - 2oz in a 20oz cup of ice and coke is my mix. I will have to get some B vitamins, though I don't get a hangover per-say I do get severely dehydrated.
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:39:27 AM(UTC)
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Good catch, I would never drink it straight - 2oz in a 20oz cup of ice and coke is my mix. I will have to get some B vitamins, though I don't get a hangover per-say I do get severely dehydrated.


Good, good, good. Thanks for clarifying. Alchohol washes out all you B vit. which is so necessary for health. From a health group I have been makeing a ""total tonic"". I made a slight change in it, and now make the healthiest and tastiest bloody mary ever. It wil knock a cold, or flue or whatever out in nothing flat and just make you feel super the next day. Anyone want the recipe let me know."
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:59:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mtnwalker2 Go to Quoted Post
Good, good, good. Thanks for clarifying. Alchohol washes out all you B vit. which is so necessary for health. From a health group I have been makeing a ""total tonic"". I made a slight change in it, and now make the healthiest and tastiest bloody mary ever. It wil knock a cold, or flue or whatever out in nothing flat and just make you feel super the next day. Anyone want the recipe let me know.


If you'd PM me that I'd give it a try :)"
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:11:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: div4gold Go to Quoted Post
If you'd PM me that I'd give it a try :)


Same here if you'd please - who de-railed this thread anyways? sorry steveb"
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#37 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:39:18 AM(UTC)
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"Assuming you have 6"" x1/2""x1/2square
Peices of white oak charred in the oven
400f
For 2 hours (med char?) how many sticks and how long do you let it Sit in 5 gals
70 abv?"
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#38 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 5:34:12 AM(UTC)
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"I never aged anything that large and for all my testing use 16oz jars, my hickory splits are 6""x1/4"" and medium toasted followed by a torch charring, I used one stick per jar as less is more.

I also recently purchased medium toast oak chips $1.50 for 4oz and says it is good for 5 gallons. I put 4 chips to a jar which had no discernible weight to them, In 2 weeks both the hickory and oak gave a amber color and sweeter taste.

I do not make whiskey and only wood age pot stilled sugar wash to help absorb some of the off flavors and mellow it a bit. It seems to do the trick for me but I also refrigerate, shake, and air daily for the first 2 weeks. None of my tests have ever made it beyond the 4 week mark."
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#39 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 10:27:01 AM(UTC)
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"I have some french oak chips med char that i bought

the brew store. Maybe i will try that instead of my homemade sticks.
Thanks for the input."
Offline just_me  
#40 Posted : Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:28:52 AM(UTC)
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good morning walker and co. i would love that recipe please.
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