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#1 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2006 7:35:51 AM(UTC)
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I have made my own carbon filter system using the ideas from Gert Strands activated carbon book, what I was wondering was when filtering your alcohol, at what rate should you be filtering at. I have read that Jack Daniels takes about 4 days to filter their whiskey. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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#2 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2006 9:27:27 AM(UTC)
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I would say that the reason Jack Daniels takes 4 days is because they are doing 100's or if not 1000's of gallons. I do not believe that there is a time that filtering should take. If you rinse your carbon and the carbon is still wet then you want to run the water out first by pouring your distilled liquor in and tasting to make sure the water is our then collect the distilled liquor in your keep container. I have also read the Gert Strands and looked at making the filter but opted to buy the Z-filter instead.
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#3 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2006 10:58:07 AM(UTC)
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what is a z filter and can I view it online somewhere.
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#4 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2006 5:21:32 PM(UTC)
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First off I wanted to know how much distilatte you can run through activated carbon filter system, I have 30L to run and was just curious.

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First I had asked the question about using spring water or distilled water, I ended up using spring water which ended up turning my distillate cloudy and a white ring near the top, next time I will use distilled water. But I did run it through my carbon filtration system and it took everything out and left it perfectly clear and no off smells. I aslo asked about what rate should you filter at and I found out through the filtering process it can only go so fast, I am not sure what the rate is but you really can only go at a certain rate anyway. I am extremely thankfull for everyones comments and suggestions and must say that everyone had great opinions. I have learned that the best way is to be adventurous and take in everyones suggestions and find out what works best for you.
Thank you to everyone who contributed.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:20:36 PM(UTC)
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Smoking T you can see one on the grape and granary web site. I order mine from You Make Beer, You Make Wine for 39.95 after checking around you will find the price is in the neighborhood of about 70 dollars else where. The kit comes with two pails, two hoses and the z filter itself with activated carbon and filter paper. It works similar the the Gert Strand filter. Spirits flow in the top of the filter and makes a z path through the carbon and then exists out the bottom. It is more compact than the long tube with the funnel.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:35:03 PM(UTC)
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Freebrew: I did a search for 'you make beer, you make wine' on Google and came up with lots of homebrew shops but not one that sold the Z-Filter. Could you post the actual URL?

I used a Z-Filter at a friends house and the only complaint I had was that at the end of the run you had to hold the bucket at a tilt ,ala bottling bucket,for a long time. I think I have figured out a better way to do that but I need to buy the z-filter and ain't ever gonna pay $70 for it. For $40 I'll go for it.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:08:33 AM(UTC)
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This may be a stupid question, I think it's been asked before but I can't find it. The reason I carbon filter is to lighten the bite and smooth the smell when you stick your face in the mason jar, but it takes soooo long to filter ,about 15-20 min. per qt, does it have the same effect to carbon filter before it's cut with water? I'm thinking of filtering 1st. and then adding water and other flaverings for the finished product.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:29:43 AM(UTC)
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mike,

i would definitely filter before adding water or any flavorings. much less volume to filter and it has exactly the same effect of removing fusels/off-flavors from your distilled product.

anyone correct me if that's not true!
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#9 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:16:02 AM(UTC)
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You should not filter a beverage above 50% abv. The carbon will not work correctly above that. Use distilled water on both your mash and your product. This will make it a lot smoother and tastier.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:43:44 AM(UTC)
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The site is www.makewine-makebeer.com this should get you there if now do a search on makewine-makebeer and you will come up with the site.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:48:40 AM(UTC)
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You should aways dilute before carbon filtering. Carbon will not work above 100 proof. I also will filter my corn mash but I dilute then filter my final product. I make it at 100 proof and that is tradition, who am I to change tradition.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2007 7:34:27 PM(UTC)
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Why haven't i read about this? Carbon filtered a 45abv. A section of the filter tube about 3' in length got very, very warm/hot at what I figure was the point where the initial charging of water in the filter ended and the alcohol was added to the filter. This hot 3' area moved down the filter tube at the speed I figure was the speed of the fluid moving down through the carbon granuals. I guess this is some sort of catalytic reaction. Is this normal,,or do I have some nasty constituient in my distillate? The filtered fluid tastes and such just fine. Any thoughts?
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#13 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:59:00 PM(UTC)
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I have noticed the same thing, but no problem, I found it less when I used distilled water to prep the column than with tap water.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:23:56 PM(UTC)
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Curses, Yep, when curses are filtered from these fine spirits, a lot of heat must be expected.-Just kidding. I also experianced the same thing in 2 situations. One like yours useing a tube of carbon, per the book, and again when adding water to strong distillate. There must be a reaction between the 2 as they bond. I learned quickly, to cut my spirits down before mixing a drink, as I originally used my strong spirits, and added a lot of water to cut to drinking strength, but found I had a quite warm almost hot drink. Yuk.

I would imagine, that the same energy process would work in reverse, when distilling, and why distilling low ABV runs much hotter than High ABV runs. Around 8 or 9°C for me. At least helps you seperate the water from the booze, instead of constant taste testing.

I quit the filter column, and now just soak my juice on carbon. Works just as well for me, and is so much easier.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54:52 AM(UTC)
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"Here is a poor picture of my homemade filter about 4.5ft long. Filters from bottom up. Much cheaper than Z filter does same thing and lasts longer. About $25.00 in parts from home depot and cash&carry. Works very good.

I like the idea of throwing the carbon on the juice for a while. I think I will try that maybe change.

http://home.comcast.net/~sailorboy2/dst_pics/filter.jpg"
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:19:16 AM(UTC)
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"There is another consideration to think about.When you mix your pure high percentage alch. with water, a lot of heat is given off. This reaction can continue on in a very miniscual scale for a good while. Vodka and clean white spirits do maure and improve with several months rest, and an occasional O2 breath. I cut my fresh and pure to 50 or 40%, put into glass carboys, 1, 3,
5 and 6.5 gal. carboys with carbon, with a 10% airspace. Occasionally pop the top and replace the air with fresh, and shake or just swirl till the carbon is all in suspension. Filters and ages it. Leave it until a portion is needed. Gets better all the time.

Lots of people post that neutral doesn't have to age. It does improve immensely with airing and more time to mate with the water added, plus the ease of the carbon filtering, and for a period of time is better than any colume filtration. If you don't have really clear spirits to start, just leave on carbon for a while, filter out the carbon coarsely, clean the carbon and add back again. With a little patience you will get a better result, and milder and cleaner drink than any of the others I have tried many times. Requires patience and the storage ability. But after all the work and time makeing it, it is well worth it."
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:27:04 PM(UTC)
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"I understand that the carbon works two ways. bad stuff sticks in the narrow tiny channels and also in a lesser know reaction to the outside of the granules. Now what John mentioned has some good science to it, if it is swirled and suspended quite a bit, and there is no doubt airing out is a good thing.

My question is this for filter users. What do you use and how would you rate it. Howie is convinced there is a better filter, and I told him if he buys it I will ship it to him.

The ones I know about are:

1. The standard tube type like Gerts recommends. (40mm) Howie has a shorter one from the easystill.

2. The Z filter. Nice and compact with a couple buckets for easy work.

3. The Carbon snake. Uses much less carbon at a time in a smaller than 40mm tube. Carbon kingsnake model too.

4. The stainless steel ones from Canada, they sell on ebay sometimes.

If you use one, which one do you use and how satisfied are you with it."
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#18 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:20:10 AM(UTC)
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"From MTNWALKER2:""I have a tube filter, but its a real PITA, so what i do now is take a gallon jug, toss in a rounded cup of washed carbon from brewhause, and shake it everyday for a week or so, and open the top each time for oxygen. Filter through a coffee filter, in an 8 inch ss tea strainer, changeing the filter as it slows.""

I put a little brewhaus carbon in bottle with ouput and shake it everyday for a week or less actually, and open the top each time for oxygen. Filter through a coffee filter, using large funnel (brewhaus) back into another bottle of same size - then rinse out the bottle with the carbon and it is done. I don't re-use the carbon as I am too lazy for that.

Makes a big difference and easy - My thanks to MTNWALKER2 for the idea."
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#19 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:33:44 AM(UTC)
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Yeah I know. The filter is for Howie. He is convinced that the little tube he has needs to be replaced with a better filter and there is no changing his mind. He is also making neutral in a pot so he may be right, I can't say since I havent checked out his efforts. I sent him all the z carbon that was in stock around here, so I know he is good on that for a while. The stuff he had shipped from New Zealand he said was a very fine powder, and no good to work with.
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#20 Posted : Friday, October 05, 2007 2:42:37 PM(UTC)
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I was wondering if Britta water filters can be used to filter alcohol?has anyone tried it?
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